Dr. Byron Price is a black scholar with a mission. His book, 'Merchandizing Prisoners' opens the door for a discussion on how the African American community is being financially pillaged by the prison industry. You may not know this, but private corporations earn money from inmate incarceration and have a direct financial incentive to house more. This is a problem, since unfocused profit maximization does not leave much room for prisoner rehabilitation. Dr. Price is one of the leading scholars in America, and he has taken it upon himself to help solve this problem.
1) What is your name and what do you do for a living?
Byron E. Price, associate professor, political science department, and interim director, Barbara Jordan Institute for Policy Research
2) Tell us about your book? What does it teach us?
According to National Union of Public and General Employees, "This book examines the steady growth of private, for-profit prison firms and the correctional-commercial complex that has developed tangentially with the private prison industry." It also details the strange bedfellows that have been brought together to expand this industry.
Slave History Unearthed
Actress Diane Johnson portrays "Sarah," a fictional slave during speaks to a tour group in character at Christ Church's cemetery in Philadelphia. Philadelphia's most famous Colonial-era church is opening the eyes of visitors with the revelation: Slaves worshiped alongside parishioners like Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Betsy Ross.
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The remains of buildings, including the house George Washington lived in while he was president, are shown at the sight of an archaeological dig in front of the Liberty Bell Center, top right, in Philadelphia, in this June 5, 2007, file photo. Historic Philadelphia's ties to slavery emerged in a big way in 2007 as an estimated 250,000 people witnessed the excavation of a slave passageway in the President's House, where Washington lived while Philadelphia was the nation's capital.
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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks about race during a news conference just blocks from Independence Hall and the Christ Church burial ground in Philadelphia, Tuesday, March 18, 2008. the city's most famous Colonial-era church is opening the eyes of visitors with a revelation: Slaves worshipped alongside parishioners like Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Betsy Ross.
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The city's ties to slavery emerged in 2007 as an estimated 250,000 people witnessed the excavation of a slave passageway in the President's House, where Washington lived while Philadelphia was the nation's capital.
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As "Sarah," Johnson plays a fictional slave who puts a human face on the grim statistics: In 1760, Philadelphia's population was 11,000; about 1,100 were black, and nearly 900 of them were slaves.
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Founded in 1695, Christ Church was the first parish of the Church of England in Pennsylvania and the birthplace of the U.S. Episcopal Church. Tours are given daily, but special presentations on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons offer slavery-related narratives.
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I underscore how these for-profit private prison companies have gone public and are trading on the stock exchanges and the inimical impact of prisons being publicly traded. The book debunks many of the claims as to why states seek prison privatization and demonstrates that incarceration is the new form of slavery. ...This work sets the record straight about the decision to privatize state prisons, revealing the political bias that often drives these policy choices.
3) Why do so many black men end up in prison?
The collateral consequences of a felony conviction makes it impossible for African American males to reintegrate into society. A felony conviction for drugs makes one ineligible for financial aid, living in public housing, receiving welfare benefits, obtaining a vocational licenses, such as a barber's license. Social-control strategies are employed to maintain the status quo. Over-policing of the African American community and the criminalization of black males all lead to the disproportionate incarceration of black males. Black males are more likely to be expelled from school, tracked, labeled, placed in special education, be punished for adolescent behavior and criminalized for adolescent behavior. Thus, there is an expectation that black males will end up in prisons, and these expectations are internalized by many black youth. It ends up as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
4) Is there money being made by incarcerating prison inmates? If so, how is it being made and who is earning it?
Corporations such as Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the Geo Group (formerly Wakenhut), Avalon Correctional Services, Cornell Companies and Industry Property Management. CCA has a $2 billion market cap, followed by the Geo Group with a $922 million market cap. The money is made by contracting out the inmates' labor to Fortune 500 companies and, in some cases, they compete for public works contracts. CCA and the others are making money, and their stock trades on the stock exchange. Telecommunications industries pay prisons to put pay phones in prisons. Pay phones in prisons make $15,000 a day. Transportation companies and all sorts of cottage industries develop around the prison industry. UNICOR, or Federal Prison Industries, created by Congress, was one of the first prison industries established to exploit inmate labor. States also pay a per diem per inmate to private prison corporations.
5) Are the prisons being cooperative in reducing the abuse and sexual assault of prison inmates?
Prison rape is encouraged by guards as a form of punishment. They are not very cooperative when it comes to ameliorating prison rape. The increasing HIV infection rate of heterosexual black females can be directly traced to the prison population. It has also placed black women at a disadvantage, because it has reduced the number of marriageable black men and has undermined black women's ability to negotiate better mates. Many end up with men from prison and end up getting infected by these men.
6) Are there any efforts that have been successful at confronting the strange financial incentives of the prison system?
Not at the level they need to be. We should lead a divestiture campaign of private prisons, and we should campaign to abolish private prisons.
7) What do you think are the solutions to the problems cited in your book?
Our community should launch a campaign to get rid of the laws in place that continue to punish black males long after that have paid their debt to society. For example, the inability to get financial aid. We should ban the question on employment applications that ask, "Have you been convicted of a felony?" We should take control of our children's education -- we need to get our children around people who love them. Abolish gangster rap and reduce the influence of hip-hop because it fosters a thug culture and cultivates misogyny and thuggery. Black men should play a more active role in their children's lives. We should also create employment opportunities for our community.
This interview was conducted by Dr. Boyce Watkins, finance professor at Syracuse University. To have Dr. Boyce's commentary delivered directly to your e-mail, please click here.


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By: geraldine smith on 8/08/2009 8:45PM
In society today we have a lot of black young/older males in the prisoner systems, The time/sentencing they get its just ridiculous (ex. 10yrs for shoplifting) just an example, Now this the kicker we the taxpayers paids the State, County/Private Jails to House them for $130.00 and up a day, I haven't even begin to talk about the money they make off Commissary, and them 15 mins
Phone Calls, and Visitation with them Vend Machine, In the meanwhile they give them a job and a Title (TRUSTEE) wow !!! they might even get paid (5.00 dollar a day) and thats in the United States Federal Penitentiary on the other hand County,Private, and State Jails paid them nothing...... I have more comment but i have to go until next time SIGN OUT dddelibear
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By: ALTON AUGUSTUS on 8/09/2009 10:28PM
The truth is hard to face black men have turn there back on god and the black family a body with no head will die.We face many problems as a race no respect no responeibilty thats no white man doing thats our fault. We as black men don,t even respect our women, so you want more truth ,how about raising children, be a husband not a baby dad, love our mothers stop act like boys face the truth life can be hard. We have not been tuthful to our self so thats my truth, Alton Augustus can,t blame no one but the man in the mirrior. To all my brothers I love you all lets face the truth in do better.
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By: mary on 8/15/2009 8:49AM
Hey this is my take... I agree w/both sides of the argument. However, reforming the prison and prisoners is not the complete answer. Our prisons s/be to the point that once a person enter there they wouldn't want to ever go back. But that is not the case because most of them are like a second home... There mom, cousins, sister/s and sometimes other family members are there too. It has become an encaged social club w/free benefits at tax payer expense which is costing us millions of dollars a year. What we are seeing is a break down in the black community. I concur w/ one of the other writers, our children (except mine) don't have respect for the law, God, mom & dad( and some of it is the parents fault) society and more. Why is that? Because we've raise a bunch of spoiled brats who feel they are entitled to what others have without paying an honest price to get it. You just can't give a child everything he or she want w/out displine, structure and guidance. Any worth having requires sacrifice sometime and hard work. But most of our kids and some adults don't believe that. They think the whole world owes them something. And that is the lie they have bought into. No one owes us anything! With God and persistance you can be anything in America you want to be.... And that is a fact. It our fault our society has become what it is. No one is held accountable anymore.
How do we fix it? First by repenting to God and perhaps other family members for being stupid, ignorant, rebellious and selfish. Second, we need to stop looking for everyone else to fix our messes all the time. Do what you have to do honestly to rectify the problem yourself. And if you need help then, of course ask but, you need to begin the process. Thirdly, we need to pay the price to have the pieces of our lives put back together again. And don't stop until it has been fully accomplished. Also, we need to have people in our life who we have given permission to hold us accountable for our beliefs, behavior and/or actions. Then we won't have to be writing books about the alleged ill treatment of our brothers and sisters in prison because they won't be there!!!!
Oh, by the way parents, uncles, aunts and others you owe it to your children, nieces and nephews to be mentor/s and a role model if you want them to grow up to be productive, honest, hard working, law abiding citizens and respectable adults. For the most part if you live right they will. If you don't, they won't. Now, I know there are exceptions to the rule; however, for the most part this is not the case for most. If you don't you will have to pay the price; and sometimes that may mean incarceration...
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By: Kat on 8/16/2009 7:48AM
I whole heartedly agree with Dr. Price. But it is the same for the white prisoners as well. My son has been incarcerated for 15 yrs. and the same situations apply to him that have been written about here.
Yes prisoners do get most of the day to play or relax if they choose to ignore their responsibiliy of working for a living. My son has always worked to pay his debt to society and his $10,000.00 retribution. Even tho his income is a small fraction of what the same job would pay on the street he still keeps doing it. Even tho the system takes a percentage of the money he gets sent to him we still keep sending it. Even tho a phone call is highway robbery we still sometimes accept it just to hear his voice.
Yes we are held hostage to the D.O.C.'s getting fat off of prisioners and their families and I'm more than willing to help change this if I can.
I agree that black people have an even more difficult time when it comes to staying out of the system, but the culture breeds the attitude that gets the results. Please abolish gangsta rap and the whole socitial picture it paints. Help these kids with a new meaning in life (and a belt to hol up their pants). The lyrics and the media of this type of culture resemble one thing to me, Satin, and it's truely a scary thing.
Yes a good foundtion needs to be laid for our youth. but even that wasn't strong enough to prevent my son from being led into the society of the gangsta life style. Why does that life seem more glamorous then good clean living?
We are an information world, there is no hiding our children from bad when it's all over the internet, the TV, the radio and all media outlets.
We need to change the systems that thrive on taking advantage of someones elses disadvantage. What if a powerful positive figure was promoted as much as a gangsta song, what if we brought dress codes and religion back into the schools, what if.... Gee I bet alot of designers, cothing manufactures, recording companies, etc..etc.. would have to rethink their businesses...maybe even our government??
Lets take back our country people!! Don't wait!!
truely this my first response to anything like this, and I apologise for misspellings and grammar, but I do want to bew heard now not after I clip and paste!
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By: Leigh on 8/20/2009 5:04PM
i have worked as a corrections officer for cornell's reid center and CCA's correcton services corporational in houston, texas. At the reid center i was hounded everyday by a supervisor who felt i was giving the clients as we called them (inmates) more attention than him. It was my job to give them attention. I only had to follow his orders as he was my supervisor. This is something the clients knew and some of the officers knew too. I was being sexually harassed by this supervisor. He told me i could not have a lunch break because we were too busy for breaks. but this other female officer would call me in less than a hour after we arrive to work and ask me to relieve her for a lunch break, over the radio. No supervisor listening to that had a problem with that and everyone else went to lunch but i had to hide to eat. He would often call me and ask me to do something around luch time hoping i would be on my break and he would prevent me from eating my food. One of the clients I knew from some of my relatives hometown he use to date one of my cousins i did not report that i knew him because i knew Guillory was gonna be picking on him like some of the other inmates was telling me they were being harassed after a conversation with me. The client told me he was there for selling drugs but my cousin said he is a liar he broke into someone's house and raped a 13-year old girl. My supervisors harassment kept up clients still telling me he was messing with them even my cousin's ex-boyfriend. I told him again i am not here looking for a boyfriend in the inmates or the employees i just want to work and go home then he said, how come they can get a smile out ya and i can't how come they can get a conversaiotion and i can't. I wrote him up after telling another supervisor about it who already knew because other inmates and employees were talking about it. the other supervisor said write him up i did. Mr Thomas, his friend took up for him. word had got to guillory from the supervisor who told me to write him up and he wrote me up and beat me giving the write up to Thomas. Thomas said he wrote you up he said you are having a improper relationship with the prisoners. I said all these cameras are you kidding. He went on and on and i told him what he could with this job he said, don't let him make you quit. that statement told me he knew what the truth was. i put my shield and badge on the table and walked out. A few months later i am looking at channel 26 news and guess who is on there he had been selling drugs to the inmates from the trunk of his car on the property, Mr. Thomas. Two years later i am at CSC the assistant warden did not want women there and made it clear. a woman place is in the house taking care of the house and the kids he said. Who is going to pay the bills for a single women you imbecile. the assistant warden used the inmates to lie on the females to get them out. some of them were crossing the line with those guys but a lot of them got lied on and the inmates told me and another guard and he was telling us who was going to be next and he was right so i started looking for another job women were dropping like flies. I found another job i told my friend a sgt. that she need to leeave to cause our time was coming she was believing the other officers was guilty until i started her who was going to be next who was going to get promotions that everyone mistakenly believed they had a fare shot at. There was a opening for a job in th shue this inmate told me who was going to get it and the elimination process had not begun i took myself out and i told them they were spinning thier wheels they did not believe me until it was announced because i went to the person who the inmates said had it and he confirmed he was told he had the job we just had to go through the process. so we could think we had a shot. getting to see movies on the weekend for being good is a big thing one night these 3 were were talking the other guys could not hear they kept looking at me i ask the 3 to lower their voices and it was on. i had to put up with them every time i went to that dorm. i told my friend,
a sgt. i wanted to talk to her and my other friend he was just promoted captain after the assistant warden fired the female captain for not doing her job after 7 years. what a joke. when we went to the captain office. The warden came in and sit down so i told them abou how another inmate cleaned my desk after chow and whispered that i need to find a excuse to call him outside to the hallway. another inmate told me earlier that this young inmate who was a few years older than my son was telling people that i gave him my phone number this young man had a tattoo of two tear drops under his eye. that is street cred and jailhouse cred. for those that don't know the two tear drops symbolizes that he has killed 2 people. he was a friend of the 3 that was giving me grief but i gave him my phone number ok right. i went to alpha dorm and asked the officer to meet me around the corner right now. i told my snitch to mop the floor before i left and i returned and said let's take the mop to the janitorial closet. he asked why the other officer was there i told him i am not talking to none of yall any more without a witness of another officer. he told ud about this guy was getting inmates together to all write me up saying i cussed out this guy i talked about his mama i spit on him, i hit him, a lot of stuff they will write what he tell them and his mama was gonna put money on their books so they can make commisary his mama was even gonna call the Lt. crying saying how she heard me on the phone cussing him out and like another one told me the lews are gonna put all those papers on the desk and say it must be true they all say the same thing. after the meeting the warden told the assistant warden and they called the inmates down and what he was gonna pay people to lie about he did it himself. they pretended to believe them a ay out for another female i was way ahead of them i had another job for less pay but the warden and assistant warden was foul. i was off that thursday and that friday and like we say GOD ain't sleep the job i had lined up i was taking some one place who was off on thursday and friday so when they finished their witch hunt and asked me to come in thursday to talk about it i said i will be in friday. i came in with my uniforms in a bag turned it in and i went in the office they had the tape recorder saying i interfered with the family life of an inmate and i just bust out laughing i could'nt help it these people are crazy. he said do you think this is funny yeah i do you funny with your cowboy boots wearing azz go back to ya ranch ya heah. i started my new job the next day. less money but content and stress free. they fired my friend the sgt. used the same thing almost said she a petite woman beat up a inmate. another friend a officer and i ended up at the same job and a new lady came and said she use to work at csc and called her name and said you the one was messing with the inmate she said i got a husband and kids i was not messing with no inmate i said i tried to tell ya'll he was using that on all the women he did that to assure that we could not get another job in corrections. i do not know what is in my records but my friend the captain he called me and told me i need to get a copy of my record and told me to tell my frieds and any other females that was there that i talk to he said i would not believe what they put in my record. a few months later he was fired i guess they found out he was warning people. my friend the sgt. went to TDC but was found dead in her apt. a few years ago. another ex CSC officer who is now a metro bus driver in houston told me she was dead when i said she stopped calling me and her phone was disconnected. he was fired because a inmate was caught with a cigarette and it was his brand so they added 2+2 and got 3. he was told he was the only one that smoke that brand. if that was the case the co. would be out of business. I do not know if my friend got sick and could not call for help or if she committed suicide because she was deeply hurt about how the women were treated especially us because i worked with a lot of young people and we worked overtime more than anyone else. i worked doubles almost everyday i did not mind i love over time someone always calling off sometime i just walk in the door after leaving and get a call i go back. a lew asked if i would do a triple one day i said are you crazy you know that is against the law. i wouldn't if it wasn't. i am not a robot. A lot of my neighbors work at TDC and one is trying to convince me to go there now I live close to bush airport but if i am eligible to work there which i doubt it will probably be more stress. I am unemployed now since last month i was terminated from a exxon mobil site by my security company's major who and is and has been for years out of control for something that had nothing to do with my job performance. She fouled me and i told her boss what she did he got on her and she firem and lied about why i was being fired. There is too many no good bosses out in the working world. I have a lock out box on my door now cause i cannot pay the rent. i cannot leave my house because i will not be able to get back in. i got two responses for a job bu i can't leave.i was refused unemployment because they choose to believe the emloyer. TEXAS JUSTICE
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By: mighfella on 8/31/2009 9:33PM
The PRI is nothing new:the issue is resolving the matter and what will it take.
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By: Patricia Tursi on 10/19/2010 6:02PM
I am one who has long been horrified by the prison situation, I am delighted to see this book and horrified by a previous commenter whose comments indicate that a prisoner deserves what they get. Privatized prisons is enslavement. Prisons are not meant for punishment, and, unless, in certain cases, impossible, should be for rehabilitation. Prisoners who receive degrees have almost no recidivism. Ninety some percent of prisoners have some form of learning disability or, at least, handicap. This is frequently related to poverty. Allowing profit always leads to abuse. Greed determines it all. As for the rape, everyone is aware of this horrible situation. We have more Afro-American-heritage persons incarcerated, but this will change. I remember,in the sixties, warnings from the Black community about the deliberate influx of drugs from our government, into the urban Black communities. The warning said that drugs would begin in these communities and then spread. The drugs were used as a controlling device. It is now common. If people can't understand the inhumane qualities of our prisons, they should at least fear for their own future and the future of their children. The privatization of prisons is one more step to corporate enslavement and should horrify all persons. Our prisons reflect the lost values of our culture.
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